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Why Arnold Schwarzenegger's T-800 Looks Older In Terminator: Dark Fate

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Schwarzenegger is over 70 years old, but why is the robot he plays in the Terminator franchise showing it?

With Arnold Schwarzenegger reprising one of his most iconic roles in Terminator: Dark Fate, fans of the franchise are in for a treat. It's not every day that the stars of genre-defining films get together to do it all over again in a new entry decades later, but this is Terminator we're talking about--there's time travel, alternate futures, genocidal computers, and killer robots. Anything can happen.

That said, Schwarzenegger's return to the series does raise one nagging question: Why would a Terminator age? In hunting for an answer, we chatted with Terminator creator and Dark Fate producer and co-writer James Cameron, and it turns out the answer was under our noses all along--or at least, under someone's nose.

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"Look, it's all in the first film," Cameron told journalists in Los Angeles, video-chatting in from the set of his Avatar sequels in New Zealand. "Sweat, bad breath, everything--he's a cyborg. The 'org' part is 'organic.' There's flesh over the outside."

"The bigger question is how something that's got some kind of synthetic material that's not flesh can come through the time field, but that's another geek-out story for another time," Cameron added as an aside.

"He's organic on the outside," the filmmaker continued. "He's got to eat to support the organic part of his body. It might only be 30% of him by weight, but he definitely has human flesh. The science behind that is complete bulls***, but it's a cool idea, right?"

So what about that "under our noses" joke? Well, Cameron pointed out that in the original Terminator, there's a scene in which someone comments on the T-800's major stank. "In the first movie, he's actually got sort of gangrene and his wounds are kind of rotting by the end of the film," Cameron explained. "When the guy pounds on the door and says, 'Hey buddy, you got a dead cat in there?' It's like, he's rotting. His human flesh is dying before it all gets burned off. All biological systems are subject to age unless you were to specifically genetically tinker that out, which obviously they didn't do. So his outer form ages."

In T2, the T-800 says his metal endoskeleton can run for 120 years, even after its semi-organic outer layer has rotted and sloughed off. And Dark Fate shows that that process just happens to look exactly like normal human aging. "The flesh will die and fall off eventually, and then he'll just be the endoskeleton walking around," Cameron said. "A little harder to blend in at that point."

So the next time we see a T-800 in a Terminator movie, will it be a shiny CG endoskeleton walking around? That's a possible route they could take should Dark Fate prove to be Schwarzenegger's final appearance in the franchise--but Cameron also said to not rule out the possibility that the Governator might be back yet again after this.

"It's an interesting point. I mean, I think that you could make a strong case that there was probably a rack of Arnold-based T-800s up in the Skynet version of the future, and some or all of them were dispersed through time to targeted places," he teased. "I wouldn't rule out ever seeing Arnold again in a Terminator movie. Look, if we make a s*** ton of money with this film and the cards say that they like Arnold, I think Arnold can come back. I'm a writer. I can think of scenarios. We don't have a plan for that right now, let me put it that way. I think what we're seeing is that there's a lot of goodwill for that character in the audience."

Terminator: Dark Fate hits theaters Friday, November 1. In the meantime, early reactions so far are positive, and James Cameron has revealed that he's already planned out two Dark Fate sequels.

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Who cares? It's a sci-fi movie. Does it need some logical explanation?

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Sorta surprised they didn't have the accountants answer this one. Fifty easy(and ridiculous) words save tens of millions of dollars in CGI de-aging work.

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Man, that's a bullshit explanation if I ever saw one. But let's assume that we go with this explanation: how exactly did this this T800 model get to age for so long before it was sent back in time? Did they just sent a model that has been rotting away for decades back in time instead of a newer one? But maybe they have an explanation for that.

As for the rotting and decay though, humans don't really do that. There's biological processes in place that make us age after we pass the age of 25 or so. Before that our bodies' are still growing and regenerating. It's an evolutionary mechanism that's basically designed to kill us off eventually. And I don't see why in the distant future a super AI would choose to make its machines just as faulty. And we'll probably be able to overcome this limitation as well over the next decades. Our cells are constantly regenerating anyway. No healthy human is rotting away as he gets older.

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I just want to know where this movie is on the timeline and if it overwrites any of the bad movies or not?

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@vega2505: They actually answered that. It takes place after events of T1 and T2 and disregard all sequels.

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I have to call bs on that. Either it rot or it ages normally, it can't do both.

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@ronin555: Yeah, one thing I didn't even mention on the comment I just posted is that aging for example also makes your hair turn gray. That's not something that happens because your hair gets old. Each hair on your body is falling out and regrowing regularly anyway. Grey hair comes from a reduction in the substance that gives hair its color. But whatever, his explanation was completely bullshit. The only thing that makes me wonder is why he even bothered trying to provide a logical explanation for it when the only real answer is: because Arnold got old and they wanted to reuse him anyway.

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@ronin555: He took a bunch of damage to his flesh in the first film and it was rotting and dying. He also never would have healed all the wounds he took in the 2nd film either. If no damage occured, the flesh would just age normally.

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@vega2505: If I understood correctly, if he cut himself, he'll rot, if he didn't - he ages? That doesn't sound very logically.

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Or its cheaper to avoid the extra cgi bills.

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i feel like they don't want to put a lot of cgi work into arnold when he started teminator 1.

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I am confused I thought a cyborg was still human or is there more then one type of cyborg.

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I thought Arnold melted away while giving a thumbs up in Terminator 2? So did another Arnold model Terminator come back from the future in between T2 and this?

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@gamingdevil800: new time line. In T2 the lab was destroyed but the future of the T2 time line had already happened, so he melted himself and the machines sent back another T800 (T3), so you ask yourself how this happened? Well, in the new time paradox apparently the Department of Defence has found parts of the labs explosion and reproduced and actually enhanced the exoskeleton parts and the AI (skynet) but that future of that time line has also already happened (humans beating and winning vs the machines), so this Terminator is not on T2s original timeline, but on an altered T3. What the machines dont get is that they will lose the war because humankind although nearly destroyed (and its planet) keep tricking and predicting the machine AI but the machines due to being a alpha version of the skynet AI are unable to do the same. Basically, skynet acted too fast, luckily, but it had to, before the military hacks back the system thus it never really evolved and it never learns from its mistakes. The whole thing goes really deep.

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@gamingdevil800: Yeah, I didn't get that, either. There may be time travel, but if wr start getting into alternate futures that isn't our own, then what do we care happens in that one? The T800 melted. It's dead. Unless they go back and change that so the timeline we have been watching is alteres, I'm not sure how it all comes together. I'm confused.

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@non-scorer: the paradox is never ending, this is the point of the first film and consequent new ones, the terminator is "terminated" by Kyle but now an alternate future or the future Sarah, John create after that is their "timeline", or a parallel timeline to the original.

There are infinite timeline or universes, so for every terminator "terminated" a new branch of time is born from that point with the other timelines with the timeline before the terminator arriving continuing along side it.

Hence, sky-net is still born and will keep sending Terminators back.

The last film tells you of a different timeline or alternate universe the new terminator posing as John Conner arrives from, the t800 is already living in that universe the new one arrives to and has done since t3 when he "terminated" the female (and very attractive) terminator with arnie or t800 commenting on his age and indeed his looks with the skin ages mimicking human facets to be better infiltration units, "the rubber skin ones were easy to spot" and the reason the resistance has dogs and why the t1000 kills "wolfie" in T2, the dog gave him away to john on the phone, small story plots interwoven into the series people may have missed .

Thats why John visits himself as a young boy to give himself a message in the different universe they've travelled to, or parallel timeline, which they have now altered and are now living in alongside John as a young boy.

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@itchyflop: In a Mojo video trying to explain the timelines, they state that Dark Fate follows the timeline of the first 2 movies and ignores the other ones. Which still confuses me, because the T800 from the first Terminator was crushed and the one from the 2nd movie got melted.

Either Mojo is mistaken or DF will explain how this T800 exists during the course of the movie and it hasn't been revealed yet.

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@non-scorer: im not sure but was there an terminator arm left in the cog in T2 when the t1000 fights the t800, the t800 severs his own arm to try and defeat him to save john?

In the first movie the chip and arm are found and Dyson starts developing Skynet from it/them ill explain what i mean below.

Im no physicist, but im sure you cannot change the future only make new "branch's" of different realities with the original timeline still occurring only without you in it, Einstein quotes "time is relative" what he meant is its individual to you, you could argue you make your own future or timeline, as seen in Donny Darko.

This is kinda explained in Back to the future 2 i think by the doc, he draws it on a black board.

Often referred to the "grandfather paradox" if i go kill my grandfather in the past, my dad wont be born and i wont exist, you do but from that point and in another timeline because you already exist to come back and kill your grandfather, with that timline you've come from carrying on along side your now new one and others lol its mind bending.

Every time you do anything, there are infinite outcomes, the future is that decision or occurrence made, in one reality you make a "yes" choice and that timeline follows that path or reality with the "no" choice branching off simultaneously, and a "maybe" choice reality branching off etc you see my point?

So how can this be relevant to the films ?

With that in mind, there are already 2 separate new realities made when the first two terminator timelines occur or after they are defeated, see "cog reference above in T2. and T1 films.

Im sure in Genesis the terminator travels to one of these other "realities" to kill John, as iv mentioned above, at the end of the film he goes and see's himself as a young boy to give himself a message whilst now existing in that "reality" along side his other self as explained above with he now, so its not that timeline this new film is following, it cant be.

Skynet can keep altering its strategy sending back different terminators because infinite versions of it exist, somehow its found a way to not only travel back in time but realities or parallel universes if you like, seen in terminator genesis.

Im sure in one of the films its stated "the future is set" it is Sky-net will always exist, you cannot change the future, its a paradox.

Again many believe the future is already "mapped" out, you could use this theory, Skynet exists no matter what "the future is set".

The fact skynet sends terminators back from the future proves its already there and always will be and in many realities, in one or more it doesn't exist.

The series sliders gives you a good example.

Sorry for the long reply its not a topic you can conclude up lightly, and its only my interpretation on all of it, its not an easy topic to discuss, however i hope this helps.

I know it doesn't really answer your comment or question about it following T1 AND T2, i believe it follows that universe or timeline instead of genesis where its set in another.

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@gamingdevil800: There's time travel, so they can pretty much do whatever they want lol.

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